I have been following Carl Heneghan since the start of this debacle and he was very much screaming about the misuse of PCR tests as they did not give information on infectivity. I sent his original piece on this topic to my family members in California and received little interest. Thank you for another great piece.
Only 4% of asymptomatic “infections” are actually infectious! And for this we still have people out in the community wearing loose blue surgical 😷 or cloth masks and they think they are doing something to protect others. (guess that’s what they think because they certainly can’t be thinking that they are protecting themselves). So many foolish and expensive decisions made. Thanks for the great work, David.
Glad we made it so much better in California by shutting the beaches when people were desperate to get out and absorb some needed fresh air and vitamin D. It is laughable they even shut playgrounds and walking loops. Where was the science!!!!
I have been furious so many times since the beginning of this pandemic but this might be the most infuriating. Had we been able to use this test there would not have been a pandemic - no forced vaccinations, lockdowns, lapses in health care, etc. The hideous amount of damage inflicted on all of us especially children would never have happened. Thank you for writing about this - I hope this gets shared far and wide.
Absolutely - that was the plan all along. I was on the front lines of trying to get kids back in school (maskless and with the choice of vaccination). Testing was a huge tool they used to keep kids out. 😡
Not to mention that the failing u.s. "economy" wouldn't have gotten the $13 trillion infusion of cash, hilariously known as "pandemic relief," that it was so desperately in need of.
Yet another very important piece in understanding the ineptitude/malfeasance of this disastrous period. The negative implications of thinking at some level that anyone could be dangerous will persist for decades. Thank you for bringing this to our attention!
i remember researchers saying that asymptomatic transmission had been heretofore unheard of with respiratory viruses. and i remember that having a big effect on my view of things.
My feeling about asymptomatic spread was that if that was the case then what would be the point of forced NPIs. If it’s *that* contagious then there would be no point in mandates masking or distancing or capacity restrictions. People that want to avoid exposure could do this or that and the rest of us could do whatever.
If asymptomatic spread isn’t a thing and they knew about it since summer 2020, I need Fauci, Birx, Redfield, Jha, Walensky, etc... to explain themselves. Did they know about this?
Ummm, of COURSE THEY KNEW! I just listened to most of the video from the Covid International Summit III, part 1 (and 2) - European Parliament, Brussels. The 2 parts are on Youtube, under that name, and total over 7 hours of presentations. If you start with part 1, and get about 12+ minutes in, you'll hear the presentation from Dr. David Martin -- it is mind-bending information. As well as that of the next presenter, Nick Hudson of PANDA. There are several others -- people I've already followed for a long time now -- from the U.S., Canada, U.K.. -- and others I didn't know about from around the world. They covered so many aspects of this absolutely orchestrated, global psy-op and run up to the Great Reset, that for the uninitiated, it will be impossible to grok it all. Some of it is so outrageous, so darkly malevolent, so Orwellian, that normal, trusting humans cannot believe these sinister endeavors are truly happening...and that these endeavors have been 'in the shadows' for decades, with many different State and corporate factions in collusion with each other. But, I recommend to everyone to take the time to watch AT LEAST some portions of this VERY important Summit. This is just one of the many forums, conferences, summits that have been organizing from the early months of this travesty.
Those who choose to stay uninformed -- about these 'dark' forces and all the machinations of their psychopathic efforts to create a Great Reset, and implement steady movement toward totalitarianism -- are doing a great disservice to themselves and to all of humanity.
We need to teach logical reasoning in high school as a mandatory course. This exactly. it made no sense. Also, with regards to the vaccine. If you "wont get infected" i, then who cares if your 12 year old isnt vx'd. Ive been scratching my head for 3 years.
Fascinating twist to the testing saga. As an engineer, this was a primary issue - that these tests don't tell you anything useful.
Yet to advocate for these improved tests feels like giving in to the Hypochondriac Hysteria that gripped much of the press, government, and cultural zeitgeist the last 3 years. Suppose these tests are better at telling you if you might have been infectious yesterday. Who cares? Eupyppius makes the same argument in his critique of RJK Jr's book - where the obsession with suppressed treatments (IVM, HCQ) is no different than the other side of the germaphobes who obsess over masks and boosters [1]
Obsessively testing for nuisance viruses - outside of limited scenarios (perhaps as you note, before chemotherapy?) - is a complete waste of money and time.
How many hundreds of billions would we need to have this testing apparatus running? What is the end game for these people? Could we PCR test each person, everyday, for Covid, flu, RSV, the other 6 coronaviruses, the other 200 known viruses?
When a threat detected, what then? What is the mandatory quarantine time? Do we alert contacts? Should they put on moon suits?
Suppose this actually works, and we manage to avoid catching any virus for years on end? Is that good for our body or was George Carlin right all along? [2]
Testing is useful when the results of the test give you something to act on. Finding out you have strep tells your doctor an antibiotic is in order, for example.
Here, finding out you might have been contagious yesterday with a virus that resolves quickly on it's own 99.9% of the time does nothing.
Maybe we should just stay home when sick. Seek medical care when necessary. Stop engaging in this virus larping and grow up. You will get sick sometimes. It's ok. Not a big deal. Take your 18 trillion dollars [3] you want to test the country with and spend it on going to Mars, a monorail, health care and college for everyone, or an escalator to nowhere [4]. All have better ROI.
[3] 330 million people x $150 fully loaded cost of PCR test x 365 days a year = $18.1 trillion. This assumes a single PCR swab can check for the 300 known pathogens.
When being pressured to get a PCR "test" preparatory for a possible procedure, I insisted not. I raised the issue of cycle counts. (I was familiar with, and used the PCR method in the laboratory). The hospital lab director referred me to Lab Corp in Dallas, Texas explaining that she was not an expert on PCR and that all samples were sent there. Calling that company, I sat on the phone for a good part of my afternoon trying to speak with the lab manager. That never happened, but the receptionist finally informed me that they would not be providing me with the cycle count either before or after the PCR results were obtained. I noticed that in their menu of services provided at their website at the time (I am sure under advisement of legal counsel), they very correctly identified PCR as a method, and not as a "test." The prescribing physician's office later informed me that if I waited until a certain date, in May 2021 as I recall, the PCR "test" would no longer be required prior to the surgical procedure. So, one can see how artificial this all was. And you can see how truly unconcerned the medical people were regarding the "urgency" of my having this test and the presumed benefits of the possible surgical procedure. They were willing to sacrifice the latter for the very arbitrary former.
Though a physiologist myself, I must say that my respect for the administrators and the practitioners of medicine--especially those who enforced and complied with these ridiculous policies--has been very much diminished. I doubt that I am alone. And it is their own fault. On the other hand, those physicians, nurses and other medical personnel that lost their jobs, security and possibly their careers because of their courage have my profound gratitude. They are partly the reason we were able to begin to turn this insanity around.
But the fight is not over yet, I am sure. Mistakes were not made. This was not a goof up. This was planned and designed to serve other ends. As an additional bit of insight, in 2020 I tried to set up a visit to a company involved in medical innovations. The receptionist explained to me that only she and the director were on site in the whole facility. Everyone else was sent home for months (I presume with pay, funded by you and me, no doubt). What was interesting was that she knew the exact date in 2021 that the scientists, engineers and staff would be returning. I am sorry, real pandemics do not fit so nicely into fiscal periods. No other conclusion is reasonable than that this was planned and fraudulent. A better test reflecting the reality of this respiratory infection (whatever its true nature, constitution, origin, lethality and infectiousness), was simply not going to be considered. Its utility would have thrown a monkey wrench into the grand scheme.
Always follow the money. Read the incentive programs bonuses for steering people to take the jab. Of course, the providers were no doubt told this is for the peoples' good, while there is, as we know, a deeper and malevolent agenda.
Thank you for this post. I was curious to see whether or not anyone would point out the PCR sham. I know that it’s simply a method used to amplify small amounts of DNA and that it was set incorrectly which caused it to give many “false positives”. I had not considered the absurdity of mass testing.
This is interesting Miss Shores. I replied to your comment directly from the email notice of your comment. Other replies have gone through. But in the case of this particular one, where I was expanding on the topic of the laboratory knowing how to "manage" responses from the clients, Substack informed me that the response would not go through, but that I was to reply in the comment box. So, I ask, is there an algorithm or a person reading the content of my email reply and deciding whether it is a trivial housekeeping response, "thank yous" and all that --- but that it wants to make sure that meaningful replies are harvested through their public display?
David, one item that may be of interest to look into: remember at the start of the pandemic, when we were warned about surface transmission? I notice it was dropped pretty fast once 'aerosolized' and 'asymptomatic' became watchwords of the day.
I do wonder however, *why* surface spread concerns were pushed aside so quickly. The only reference to them I can recall after the first few weeks was of hypochondriacs wiping down their groceries with Lysol, the same people who left the house double masked, with plastic face shields and wearing two pairs of rubber gloves and Kleenex boxes on their feet.
I suppose I should be grateful it was dropped --one less thing to get barked at from public health despots-- but the conspiracy theorist wonders if economic concerns helped marginalize it. Imagine the impact on Amazon for instance if there were questions that they were sending covid through the mail.
Would love to know if Walmart or Amazon or other retailers had a quiet chat with CDC or NIH officials and got surface spread crossed off the list of Things To Worry About.
hi David, great piece but an important factor is overlooked in your essay and by Hogan et al. In this context of asymptomatic people who test positive, all of the people are, by definition asymptomatic. That mathematically guarantees that a large majority of these people are in fact simply false positives, not "asymptomatic non-infectious positives" or whatever tortured phrase one might use. This is the case b/c of the base rate fallacy that is sometimes in this context called the false positive paradox. Even very accurate tests in the lab will result in very high proportions of false positives when used on asymptomatic people. I go through the math and epidemiology in this piece and cite a number of peer reviewed papers in the literature: https://tamhunt.medium.com/the-false-positive-catastrophe-that-results-from-widespread-covid-19-testing-fc6febac8689
I have been following Carl Heneghan since the start of this debacle and he was very much screaming about the misuse of PCR tests as they did not give information on infectivity. I sent his original piece on this topic to my family members in California and received little interest. Thank you for another great piece.
It also shows once more how emergencies - alleged or real - are the worst moments to stifle debate or to censor dissident voices.
Only 4% of asymptomatic “infections” are actually infectious! And for this we still have people out in the community wearing loose blue surgical 😷 or cloth masks and they think they are doing something to protect others. (guess that’s what they think because they certainly can’t be thinking that they are protecting themselves). So many foolish and expensive decisions made. Thanks for the great work, David.
Glad we made it so much better in California by shutting the beaches when people were desperate to get out and absorb some needed fresh air and vitamin D. It is laughable they even shut playgrounds and walking loops. Where was the science!!!!
I have been furious so many times since the beginning of this pandemic but this might be the most infuriating. Had we been able to use this test there would not have been a pandemic - no forced vaccinations, lockdowns, lapses in health care, etc. The hideous amount of damage inflicted on all of us especially children would never have happened. Thank you for writing about this - I hope this gets shared far and wide.
But without a "pandemic," most agree that biden couldn't have stayed in his basement, and Trump would most certainly have been reelected.
Absolutely - that was the plan all along. I was on the front lines of trying to get kids back in school (maskless and with the choice of vaccination). Testing was a huge tool they used to keep kids out. 😡
Not to mention that the failing u.s. "economy" wouldn't have gotten the $13 trillion infusion of cash, hilariously known as "pandemic relief," that it was so desperately in need of.
Correct!
Yet another very important piece in understanding the ineptitude/malfeasance of this disastrous period. The negative implications of thinking at some level that anyone could be dangerous will persist for decades. Thank you for bringing this to our attention!
i remember researchers saying that asymptomatic transmission had been heretofore unheard of with respiratory viruses. and i remember that having a big effect on my view of things.
Yep. And that was totally false
🤬🤬🤬
My feeling about asymptomatic spread was that if that was the case then what would be the point of forced NPIs. If it’s *that* contagious then there would be no point in mandates masking or distancing or capacity restrictions. People that want to avoid exposure could do this or that and the rest of us could do whatever.
If asymptomatic spread isn’t a thing and they knew about it since summer 2020, I need Fauci, Birx, Redfield, Jha, Walensky, etc... to explain themselves. Did they know about this?
We both know the answer to your question. They HAD to have known...in May 2020.
Ummm, of COURSE THEY KNEW! I just listened to most of the video from the Covid International Summit III, part 1 (and 2) - European Parliament, Brussels. The 2 parts are on Youtube, under that name, and total over 7 hours of presentations. If you start with part 1, and get about 12+ minutes in, you'll hear the presentation from Dr. David Martin -- it is mind-bending information. As well as that of the next presenter, Nick Hudson of PANDA. There are several others -- people I've already followed for a long time now -- from the U.S., Canada, U.K.. -- and others I didn't know about from around the world. They covered so many aspects of this absolutely orchestrated, global psy-op and run up to the Great Reset, that for the uninitiated, it will be impossible to grok it all. Some of it is so outrageous, so darkly malevolent, so Orwellian, that normal, trusting humans cannot believe these sinister endeavors are truly happening...and that these endeavors have been 'in the shadows' for decades, with many different State and corporate factions in collusion with each other. But, I recommend to everyone to take the time to watch AT LEAST some portions of this VERY important Summit. This is just one of the many forums, conferences, summits that have been organizing from the early months of this travesty.
Those who choose to stay uninformed -- about these 'dark' forces and all the machinations of their psychopathic efforts to create a Great Reset, and implement steady movement toward totalitarianism -- are doing a great disservice to themselves and to all of humanity.
Going to watch the whole thing now. Thanks!
We need to teach logical reasoning in high school as a mandatory course. This exactly. it made no sense. Also, with regards to the vaccine. If you "wont get infected" i, then who cares if your 12 year old isnt vx'd. Ive been scratching my head for 3 years.
Fascinating twist to the testing saga. As an engineer, this was a primary issue - that these tests don't tell you anything useful.
Yet to advocate for these improved tests feels like giving in to the Hypochondriac Hysteria that gripped much of the press, government, and cultural zeitgeist the last 3 years. Suppose these tests are better at telling you if you might have been infectious yesterday. Who cares? Eupyppius makes the same argument in his critique of RJK Jr's book - where the obsession with suppressed treatments (IVM, HCQ) is no different than the other side of the germaphobes who obsess over masks and boosters [1]
Obsessively testing for nuisance viruses - outside of limited scenarios (perhaps as you note, before chemotherapy?) - is a complete waste of money and time.
How many hundreds of billions would we need to have this testing apparatus running? What is the end game for these people? Could we PCR test each person, everyday, for Covid, flu, RSV, the other 6 coronaviruses, the other 200 known viruses?
When a threat detected, what then? What is the mandatory quarantine time? Do we alert contacts? Should they put on moon suits?
Suppose this actually works, and we manage to avoid catching any virus for years on end? Is that good for our body or was George Carlin right all along? [2]
Testing is useful when the results of the test give you something to act on. Finding out you have strep tells your doctor an antibiotic is in order, for example.
Here, finding out you might have been contagious yesterday with a virus that resolves quickly on it's own 99.9% of the time does nothing.
Maybe we should just stay home when sick. Seek medical care when necessary. Stop engaging in this virus larping and grow up. You will get sick sometimes. It's ok. Not a big deal. Take your 18 trillion dollars [3] you want to test the country with and spend it on going to Mars, a monorail, health care and college for everyone, or an escalator to nowhere [4]. All have better ROI.
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[1] https://www.eugyppius.com/p/robert-f-kennedy-jr-and-the-progressive
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo
[3] 330 million people x $150 fully loaded cost of PCR test x 365 days a year = $18.1 trillion. This assumes a single PCR swab can check for the 300 known pathogens.
[4] https://youtu.be/JcU95OeY48I
https://open.substack.com/pub/historyisnow/p/the-endemic-hypo?r=29bmr&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
I own several healthcare facilities. Is it possible to obtain these tests on any sort of commercial basis?
And could we not also have been told cycle count's?
To this day we are unable to access that information
When being pressured to get a PCR "test" preparatory for a possible procedure, I insisted not. I raised the issue of cycle counts. (I was familiar with, and used the PCR method in the laboratory). The hospital lab director referred me to Lab Corp in Dallas, Texas explaining that she was not an expert on PCR and that all samples were sent there. Calling that company, I sat on the phone for a good part of my afternoon trying to speak with the lab manager. That never happened, but the receptionist finally informed me that they would not be providing me with the cycle count either before or after the PCR results were obtained. I noticed that in their menu of services provided at their website at the time (I am sure under advisement of legal counsel), they very correctly identified PCR as a method, and not as a "test." The prescribing physician's office later informed me that if I waited until a certain date, in May 2021 as I recall, the PCR "test" would no longer be required prior to the surgical procedure. So, one can see how artificial this all was. And you can see how truly unconcerned the medical people were regarding the "urgency" of my having this test and the presumed benefits of the possible surgical procedure. They were willing to sacrifice the latter for the very arbitrary former.
Though a physiologist myself, I must say that my respect for the administrators and the practitioners of medicine--especially those who enforced and complied with these ridiculous policies--has been very much diminished. I doubt that I am alone. And it is their own fault. On the other hand, those physicians, nurses and other medical personnel that lost their jobs, security and possibly their careers because of their courage have my profound gratitude. They are partly the reason we were able to begin to turn this insanity around.
But the fight is not over yet, I am sure. Mistakes were not made. This was not a goof up. This was planned and designed to serve other ends. As an additional bit of insight, in 2020 I tried to set up a visit to a company involved in medical innovations. The receptionist explained to me that only she and the director were on site in the whole facility. Everyone else was sent home for months (I presume with pay, funded by you and me, no doubt). What was interesting was that she knew the exact date in 2021 that the scientists, engineers and staff would be returning. I am sorry, real pandemics do not fit so nicely into fiscal periods. No other conclusion is reasonable than that this was planned and fraudulent. A better test reflecting the reality of this respiratory infection (whatever its true nature, constitution, origin, lethality and infectiousness), was simply not going to be considered. Its utility would have thrown a monkey wrench into the grand scheme.
Always follow the money. Read the incentive programs bonuses for steering people to take the jab. Of course, the providers were no doubt told this is for the peoples' good, while there is, as we know, a deeper and malevolent agenda.
https://providers.anthem.com/kentucky-provider/communications/covid-19-updates
Great information. Thanks.
Thank you for this post. I was curious to see whether or not anyone would point out the PCR sham. I know that it’s simply a method used to amplify small amounts of DNA and that it was set incorrectly which caused it to give many “false positives”. I had not considered the absurdity of mass testing.
This is interesting Miss Shores. I replied to your comment directly from the email notice of your comment. Other replies have gone through. But in the case of this particular one, where I was expanding on the topic of the laboratory knowing how to "manage" responses from the clients, Substack informed me that the response would not go through, but that I was to reply in the comment box. So, I ask, is there an algorithm or a person reading the content of my email reply and deciding whether it is a trivial housekeeping response, "thank yous" and all that --- but that it wants to make sure that meaningful replies are harvested through their public display?
Florida required that the cycle counts de told to clients.
David, one item that may be of interest to look into: remember at the start of the pandemic, when we were warned about surface transmission? I notice it was dropped pretty fast once 'aerosolized' and 'asymptomatic' became watchwords of the day.
I do wonder however, *why* surface spread concerns were pushed aside so quickly. The only reference to them I can recall after the first few weeks was of hypochondriacs wiping down their groceries with Lysol, the same people who left the house double masked, with plastic face shields and wearing two pairs of rubber gloves and Kleenex boxes on their feet.
I suppose I should be grateful it was dropped --one less thing to get barked at from public health despots-- but the conspiracy theorist wonders if economic concerns helped marginalize it. Imagine the impact on Amazon for instance if there were questions that they were sending covid through the mail.
Would love to know if Walmart or Amazon or other retailers had a quiet chat with CDC or NIH officials and got surface spread crossed off the list of Things To Worry About.
Imagine if the powers that be had focused on truly best practices, including this test and early treatment. But no, because...
hi David, great piece but an important factor is overlooked in your essay and by Hogan et al. In this context of asymptomatic people who test positive, all of the people are, by definition asymptomatic. That mathematically guarantees that a large majority of these people are in fact simply false positives, not "asymptomatic non-infectious positives" or whatever tortured phrase one might use. This is the case b/c of the base rate fallacy that is sometimes in this context called the false positive paradox. Even very accurate tests in the lab will result in very high proportions of false positives when used on asymptomatic people. I go through the math and epidemiology in this piece and cite a number of peer reviewed papers in the literature: https://tamhunt.medium.com/the-false-positive-catastrophe-that-results-from-widespread-covid-19-testing-fc6febac8689
what about the minus-strand -Test results of SYMPTOMATIC Cases!?
we have to compare those results with the shown results for asymptomatic cases.
only that comparison allows to estimate the difference between both groups of interest !
Second question is about time of follow up concerning first occur of symptoms after testing ?
in other words... whether there was a presymptomatic case classified as 'asymptomatic' or a durable real asymptomatic case.